Re: RE: kavitvaM alInaM kAdu

Bh. Krishnamurti (bhk@hd1.vsnl.net.in)
Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:58:49 +0500 

While you guys (computer poets)are talking of poetry and logic I am reminded
of a verse I wrote in my younger days. Indian logic grew our of the quest
for the brahman, the ultimate truth. They failed to know the whereabouts of
that truth, but logic developed into a science.This is how the verse goes (
12 maatras) 

tattvadars'anammunakai, tarkavitarkamulu reege
tattvam_antu cikkaleedu, tarkam_okkas'aastram_ayye

Sorry for the interpolation; please carry on. Bh.K.

At 01:02 01/04/98 -0000, you wrote:

>J. Bisa states:
>> I doubt the above logic ever computes. Logical _fallacies_ (use of
>> simple equations where higher order equations are expected, first order
>> logic where higher order fuzzy logic is expected, etc) are bound to
>> derive wrong conclusions. Does this mean logic itself is inapplicable
>> for appreciating a good piece of art?
>
>Just shooting off my mouth: I don't think (actually, I know:-) that 
>fallacy does not match the paranthetical comment. Also, first order
>and higher-order have strict meanings in logic as well as algebra.
>The above analysis does not compute.
>
>[For an excellent intro on the subject, Read Godel, Escher, Bach book or,
> Introduction to Logic, by Enderton. Basically, fuzzy logic has
> nothing to do with higher-order-ness. It all comes about the 
> universe of discourse etc.]
>
>> > kavitvAnni tarkaMtO kOstE
>> > migilEvi BhAvAlu kAvu
>> > mATala mukkalE
>> >
>> I'm afraid it's the other way round.  Right?
>> What happens if the reader cannot or does not apply the logic to
>> decipher the powerful metaphor the following stanza employs?
>
>I disagree with the original author, and agree with J. Bisa here.
>I do not accept that poetry is above logic. Why, logic gives poetry
>its analogies, and analysis.  
>
>> 
>> > #air conditioned# kavitvameppuDU
>> > kurupuki Iga mIda prEmani bOdhistuMdi
>> > #easy chair# lOMci sinimA pATa
>> > ADutU pADutU pani ceyyamaMTuMdi
>> > peMTa kuppa mIda
>> > #foreign whiskey# tAgE dEva dAsu
>> > (nI) bAdhE (nA) sauKhyamanE
>> > BhAvana rAnImaMTADu
>> >
>> -Jagdish ( ippuDEmanTAru, guruvu gAru! ) Bisa

 
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